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Amir Mohsen
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Amir Mohsen
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Study Sheds Light on Effects of Clouds on Warming
By Tim Radford, Climate News Network
LONDON – Australian and French scientists believe they have cracked one of the great puzzles of climate change and arrived at a more accurate prediction of future temperatures.
One of the great unknowns of climate science is what effect clouds have in accelerating or slowing warming. A new study sheds light on their possible impact.
Credit: EJP Photo/Flickr
The news is not good, according to Steven Sherwood of Australia’s Centre for Excellence for Climate System Science at the University of New South Wales. If carbon emissions are not reduced, then by 2100 the world will have warmed by 4°C (7.2°F).
This figure does not, at first, sound high: researchers have been warning for 20 years on the basis of computer models that under the notorious business-as-usual scenario in which everybody goes on burning coal and oil, then as carbon dioxide levels double, global temperatures could rise by between 1.5°C and 4.5°C (2.7°F and 8.1°F).
Pessimists could cite one extreme, optimists the other: the range of uncertainty was a recognition that there were still some big unknowns in the machinery of climate, and one of those unknowns was the behavior of the clouds in a warmer world.
More warmth means more evaporation, more vapor could mean more clouds. Low-level clouds reflect sunlight back into space, and help cool the climate a bit. This is what engineers call negative feedback.
[h=3]Drying the Clouds But if more water vapor actually led to less cloud, then more sunlight would reach the surface and the world would warm even more: positive feedback would be in play. Climate models cater for such possibilities, but cannot choose between them.
What Sherwood and his colleagues from Pierre and Marie Curie University in Paris did was to start with some real-world observations of what happens when water vapor gets into the atmosphere.
They report in Nature that up draughts of water vapor can rise 15 kilometers (9.32 miles) to form high clouds that produce heavy rains, or the vapor can rise just a few kilometers before coming back to the surface without forming rain clouds.
When this happens the process actually reduces the overall cloud cover because it desiccates the clouds above: it draws away water vapor from the higher regions in a process called convective mixing.
The new study suggests that in a warmer world there may be fewer clouds and thus less of a cooling effect.
Credit: Fir0002 at English Wikipedia via Climate News Network
Climate models in the past have tended to predict high cloud formation that damps warming. What Sherwood and his colleagues have done is demonstrate that the world may not work like that.
[h=3]Profound Effects in Prospect So the next step was to feed the new understanding into computer simulations. These then showed that climate cycles could develop that would take vapor to a wider range of heights in the atmosphere, with the consequence that fewer clouds would form as climate warms.
If so – and other climate scientists will have their own arguments with the findings – then as carbon dioxide levels double, which they will do in the next 50 years or so, the average planetary temperatures will increase by a colossal 4°C (7.2°F).
Governments have expressed the wish – but not so far taken the necessary action – to contain planetary temperatures to a rise of no more than 2°C (3.6°F). If Sherwood and colleagues are right, they will not get their wish. And the process will go on. The temperatures will continue to soar beyond 2100, to reach an additional 8°C (14.4°F) by 2200.
“Climate skeptics like to criticize climate models for getting things wrong, and we are the first to admit they are not perfect, but what we are finding is that the mistakes are being made by those models that predict less warming, not those that predict more,” said Professor Sherwood.
“Rises in global average temperatures of this magnitude will have profound impacts on the world and the economies of many countries if we don’t urgently curb our emissions.”
Tim Radford is a reporter for Climate News Network. Climate News Network is a news service led by four veteran British environmental reporters and broadcasters. It delivers news and commentary about climate change for free to media outlets worldwide.
- Published: January 17th, 2014
By Tim Radford, Climate News Network
LONDON – Australian and French scientists believe they have cracked one of the great puzzles of climate change and arrived at a more accurate prediction of future temperatures.
Credit: EJP Photo/Flickr
The news is not good, according to Steven Sherwood of Australia’s Centre for Excellence for Climate System Science at the University of New South Wales. If carbon emissions are not reduced, then by 2100 the world will have warmed by 4°C (7.2°F).
This figure does not, at first, sound high: researchers have been warning for 20 years on the basis of computer models that under the notorious business-as-usual scenario in which everybody goes on burning coal and oil, then as carbon dioxide levels double, global temperatures could rise by between 1.5°C and 4.5°C (2.7°F and 8.1°F).
Pessimists could cite one extreme, optimists the other: the range of uncertainty was a recognition that there were still some big unknowns in the machinery of climate, and one of those unknowns was the behavior of the clouds in a warmer world.
More warmth means more evaporation, more vapor could mean more clouds. Low-level clouds reflect sunlight back into space, and help cool the climate a bit. This is what engineers call negative feedback.
[h=3]Drying the Clouds But if more water vapor actually led to less cloud, then more sunlight would reach the surface and the world would warm even more: positive feedback would be in play. Climate models cater for such possibilities, but cannot choose between them.
What Sherwood and his colleagues from Pierre and Marie Curie University in Paris did was to start with some real-world observations of what happens when water vapor gets into the atmosphere.
They report in Nature that up draughts of water vapor can rise 15 kilometers (9.32 miles) to form high clouds that produce heavy rains, or the vapor can rise just a few kilometers before coming back to the surface without forming rain clouds.
When this happens the process actually reduces the overall cloud cover because it desiccates the clouds above: it draws away water vapor from the higher regions in a process called convective mixing.
Credit: Fir0002 at English Wikipedia via Climate News Network
Climate models in the past have tended to predict high cloud formation that damps warming. What Sherwood and his colleagues have done is demonstrate that the world may not work like that.
[h=3]Profound Effects in Prospect So the next step was to feed the new understanding into computer simulations. These then showed that climate cycles could develop that would take vapor to a wider range of heights in the atmosphere, with the consequence that fewer clouds would form as climate warms.
If so – and other climate scientists will have their own arguments with the findings – then as carbon dioxide levels double, which they will do in the next 50 years or so, the average planetary temperatures will increase by a colossal 4°C (7.2°F).
Governments have expressed the wish – but not so far taken the necessary action – to contain planetary temperatures to a rise of no more than 2°C (3.6°F). If Sherwood and colleagues are right, they will not get their wish. And the process will go on. The temperatures will continue to soar beyond 2100, to reach an additional 8°C (14.4°F) by 2200.
“Climate skeptics like to criticize climate models for getting things wrong, and we are the first to admit they are not perfect, but what we are finding is that the mistakes are being made by those models that predict less warming, not those that predict more,” said Professor Sherwood.
“Rises in global average temperatures of this magnitude will have profound impacts on the world and the economies of many countries if we don’t urgently curb our emissions.”
Tim Radford is a reporter for Climate News Network. Climate News Network is a news service led by four veteran British environmental reporters and broadcasters. It delivers news and commentary about climate change for free to media outlets worldwide.
[/URLمن هواكده ، DR WHO ، amirkoorosh هستم ولى زودياك نيستم ( زودياك قاتلى كه هيچ وقت شناسايى نشد ) :خجالت2:
در مورد ابرها بگم
ابرها هم ميتونن باعث كاهش دما بشن هم ميتونن باعث دم كردن هوا بشن اما سوال اينجاست كه چرا در هنگام بارش برف دما بالا ميره ولى بعد از برف با افزايش فشار هوا ، دما كم ميشه؟!! :گل:
در مورد ابرها بگم
ابرها هم ميتونن باعث كاهش دما بشن هم ميتونن باعث دم كردن هوا بشن اما سوال اينجاست كه چرا در هنگام بارش برف دما بالا ميره ولى بعد از برف با افزايش فشار هوا ، دما كم ميشه؟!! :گل:
Amir Mohsen
متخصص بخش هواشناسی
تازه میخوا الان برم سر وقت نقشه ها ببینم قراره چه خبر بشه در روزهای اینده
امیر کوروش عزیز اگر اشتباه نکنم ما همین حالت رو در بارش باران اما ضعیفتر داریم و هوای سرد و خشک پشت سیستم کمفشار عامل این پدیده هست، راستی هنوز هم بارش دارید؟
Amir Mohsen
متخصص بخش هواشناسی
خبر بریم سر وقت MJO و ببینم که مدلها چه تغییراتی رو تا اول فوریه پیش بینی کرده اند!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amir Mohsen
متخصص بخش هواشناسی
مطابق با مدل بالا این مولفه اتمسفری بسیار پر اهمیت ظاهرا در دو راهی فاز 6 و 7 ناگهان به سمت فاز 4و 5 سرازیر میشه که این میتونه باز هم نقشه ها به شدت دچار تغییر و تحول کنه!!!!!!!!
Amir Mohsen
متخصص بخش هواشناسی
مطابق با مدلهای آنالوگی که من برای مشهد شبیه سازی کردم درصد وقوع بارش های سنگین در منطقه شمال شرق ایران در ماه فوریه در همبستگی قدرتمندی با فاز 4 MJo هست
آرش جان آسمان همچنان مى باره
درسته در مورد باران هم صدق ميكنه
نقشه هاى استاد را من نميتونم ببينم مجبورم از هيتلر شكن استفاده كنم به هر روى اميدوارم فوريه براى كل خاورميانه خوب باشه چون فلسطين و سوريه و اسرائيل و لبنان و عربستان هم از نظر بارشى وضع خوبى ندارن
طوفان الكسا شماره دو نخواستيم لااقل اوضاع نرمال بشه :گل:
درسته در مورد باران هم صدق ميكنه
نقشه هاى استاد را من نميتونم ببينم مجبورم از هيتلر شكن استفاده كنم به هر روى اميدوارم فوريه براى كل خاورميانه خوب باشه چون فلسطين و سوريه و اسرائيل و لبنان و عربستان هم از نظر بارشى وضع خوبى ندارن
طوفان الكسا شماره دو نخواستيم لااقل اوضاع نرمال بشه :گل:
Amir Mohsen
متخصص بخش هواشناسی
تقریبا میشه گفت از 5 سالی که در ماه فوریه بعنوان نمونه مشهد بارش سنگینی داشته 2 سال در فاز خنثی انسو در همبستگی با فاز 4 MJO و 3 سال انسو در فاز منفی انسو و MJO فاز 4 این رخ داد به وقوع پیوسته!
Amir Mohsen
متخصص بخش هواشناسی
اینو هم بگم در فوریه با فاز منفی انسو و فاز 6 MJO هم انتظار روزهای سرد و پربارشی برای نیمه شمالی ایران میره
پارسال 17 اسفند تهران برف خوبی امد . نسبت به نیمه دوم اسفند سنگین بود. می خواستم بدونم mjo روی کدام عدد بود.
خدا اون موقعی که آدم از همه جا ناامید میشه به کمکش میاد. پس هیچوقت ناامید نباش!
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